If thinning is necessary, use only water and no more than 10% by volume. It has stained wood trim and stained solid wood doors throughout the house. It off..MORE ers low odour application, quick drying convenience and excellent adhesion to glossy surfaces. ZINSSER® CEILING PAINT PAINT & PRIMER IN ONE ... be primed and sealed with Bulls-Eye 1-2-3 Primer. That will get you close enough. The wife wants to save money so we went ahead and bought the Zinsser 123 primer. For airless spraying use a 0.017" tip at 2000 to 2500 psi. Apparently too thin reduces it's stain blocking properties. Zinsser Bulls Eye 1-2-3 13 oz. Golly, Frenchy, I thought you were dead. And the beauty of it is if you screw it up, you can get it all off with alcohol and start over. Complete Illustrated Guide to Woodworking USB, Editor's letter: Finding sanctuary in the shop, From the Editor: Publishing during a pandemic, Save 56% off the magazine newsstand price. It really does stick to everything, including your spray equipment. THINNING If thinning is necessary, add no more than 10 fluid ounces of clean water per gallon and mix thoroughly. Apply to interior and exterior walls, ceilings, doors, trim, fascia, soffits, foundations, railings, and related paintable surfaces. For primer, is Zinsser 1-2-3 a decent choice to spray with a HVLP system? The dry primer Zinsser BIN & treating knots (or Bullseye 123), Zinsser bullseye 123 plus (moved from Projects). It is important to note that thinned primer is less effective at blocking stains. $( "#local-search-error" ).show(); Main differences? If unsure about the integrity of the surface, test adhesion by ... manufacturer's instructions when using spray equipment. And +1 on cleaning. Hereof, can you thin Zinsser Cover Stain primer? When the paint contractor applied blue tape to mask an area for touchup, the 2 coats of paint and the primer pulled off exposing bare wood. $( "#submit-search" ).blur(); When spraying oil paint, the mixture you use in spray gun needs to be very thin … The steps for thinning primers are very similar to the steps for thinning the paint itself. Read the label on the can of primer and look for thinning instructions. I thin about 10% with water. It can be used as an effective primer to improve coverage and sheen consistency of … Sometimes that varies according to the finish I want to get. UNLIMITED Membership is like taking a master class in woodworking for less than $10 a month. $( "#local-search-error" ).hide(); Use your shop sanders to help take the tedium out of the process of sanding. Good brushes help. Commander! All of them have their own uses, and knowing the best one to use in your situation will mean that you not only get the best results, but you also get results that will last longer. pretty much foolproof and looked absolutely perfect. Since then, I just thin until it "feels" right. Select the supplier or trade you require, enter your location to begin your search. TINTING To improve the hiding power of the topcoat, tint Bulls Eye 1-2-3 toward the topcoat color with up to 2 oz. }); https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5TOZ--hamf8LU9OXzFBbFVqMlU, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. This was done on curly maple having used Watco Danish oil. Thinned primer is helpful when using a spray-application method, since thick primers may clog the spray nozzle. $("#local-search-location").val($("#local-search-location-req").val()); The Corona brushes hold a lot of finish so you don't have to spend a lot of time going back to the can which ultimately adds brushmarks when doing large areas. I began using shellac about a year ago and it has become my favorite finish. sheet I googled. Was my first time using shellac at all I have been a lot of woodworking but always use urethane or lacquer finishes recently got into using oil instead of stain and I used the French polishing method (a wad of cheese cloth wrapped tightly in a peicee of old tee-shirt) and I cut it half denatured alcohol half Bullseye shellac out of the can. When thinning water-based primers, KILZ recommends using no more than one-half pint of water per gallon of primer. Enter now for your chance to win more than $2,000 worth of woodworking equipment from Woodpeckers. When brushing, use a good quality synthetic bristle brush, flow product on and brush out. It has stained wood trim and stained solid wood doors throughout the house. This primer will be no different. It's good for you."). $("#local-search-services").val($("#local-search-services-req").val()); Bulls Eye® 1-2-3 effectively primes and seals a wide variety of interior and exterior surfaces. PRIMER TECHNICAL DATA ZBE-01 BULLS-EYE 1-2-3 WATER-BASED PRIMER Form: CS1245 Rev. On that note, can any one recommend a high build, brush on, interior primer that is easily applied over to both old oil and acrylic paint, and which will take a acrylic topcoat: this is for baseboards and doors. Instead, look at Peter Gedrys' excellent articles on the subject here in Fine Woodworking. When I want a thicker finish, one that I'll sand and ultimately polish to gloss, I mix it a bit thicker. Out of the can it is quite thick, and from what I have been able to find, it can be thinned up to ~7-10% with water. airless spraying use .017 tip at 2000 - 2500 P.S.I.). To thin, pour the needed amount of primer into a container, then add water and stir until completely mixed. sheet I googled. BullsEye 1-2-3 may be applied by applicator, brush, roller or sprayer. - according to the tech. For best brushing, you should cut it to 2# - 1 1/2#. © 2020 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. I am completely disgusted with this 2nd class product and I think I will return to the Zinsser 1-2-3 for bare wood. Has anyone successfully sprayed Zinsser 1-2-3 primer through a HVLP? Thinning BullsEye 123 is designed to be used as is. Thinned primer also covers more surface area, reducing the cost of materials for large projects. Click for full details. Zinsser® Bulls-Eye 1-2-3® is a high hide water-based styrenated acrylic water-based primer-sealer stain blocker and bond coat designed for priming all surfaces. I am applying Zinsser Bullseye amber shellac on a cedar chest. I'm pretty sure it is but don't want to mess it up. I recommend cutting it by AT LEAST a third, and maybe more, depending. The steps for thinning primers are very similar to the steps for thinning the paint itself. The Zinsser Bulls Eye 1-2-3 is a Rust-Oleum product and I’m certain you’ve probably used one or two of their products with success. The spray tip began to clog up and after about 1/2 hour I had to stop. I think I detect shellac missiles in the air! return; I've sprayed 123+ which is the same as smart prime. I use 2 gallons of denatured alcohol to one gallon of bullseye.. That makes a quick drying 15 minutes first coat)  and thin coating.. extremely difficult to screw up. Today I began trying to prime the exterior of my house with Kilz water based primer/sealer using a Wagner PowerPainter Pro sprayer. Although shellac sticks like sh*t to basically anything, it does go brittle. Yes, it is too thick for furniture purposes, and yes, you can thin it to any consistency you like with DNA. Can I thin it with denatured alcohol? Bulls-Eye 1-2 … Become an UNLIMITED member and get it all: searchable online archive of every issue, how-to videos, Complete Illustrated Guide to Woodworking digital series, print magazine, e-newsletter, and more. Basically thin it and see. Kilz Primer is a heavy-duty primer that can be brushed, rolled or sprayed on a surface, however, due to its viscosity the product must be thinned down for use in a paint sprayer. :). I really like that you don’t even need to sand after using unless you want to, which makes all projects go just a bit quicker. Use 0.015-0.017 tip. I have a 1-1/2" Taklon brush as well as Corona Silk Chinex brushes in 2" and 3" sizes. 0000020848 00000 n } else { 0000000016 00000 n $("#local-search-services").val($("#local-search-services-req").val()); 0000001872 00000 n 0000008637 00000 n Question For those who use Zinsser 123, is this thicker that it should be? How long before you can paint over Zinsser primer? Surface preparation Surfaces must be clean, dry and free of scaling paint, loose wallpaper and wallpaper paste. Always refer to the instructions on the can first and, if the paint label does not explicitly state that it can be thinned, then it is best not to do so. of paint thinner to each quart of primer (32 oz. If using conventional air sprayer, thin with about 10% tap water, spray at 50-60 psi. I wanted to rip it all out and put new primed trim and doors and paint everything white. No shellac posts in months. "It's pure alcohol, mate. Zinsser Bullseye 123 vs Coverstain. event.preventDefault(); Discussion in 'Decorating and Painting' started by DIYNotIan, 17 Sep 2016. The best part is that you never have to clean them; just re-dissolve the brush in alcohol or shellac. Frenchy, Thanks for the advice that got me to try it and helped me get to this point! Make Fine Woodworking a part of your holiday. $(function(){ Good luck, shellac is wonderful stuff once you've got it mastered. Product Overview. Are you a trade or supplier? I wanted to rip it all out and put new primed trim and doors and paint everything white. ... No more than 10 fluid ounces per gallon for the Zin. Don't look at the MANY threads here on Knots re the proper application of shellac - it'll likely confuse you - I like to call it "The Shellac Wars" - lots of fun, but some very different ideas on what works. Always refer to the instructions on the can first and, if the paint label does not explicitly state that it can be thinned, then it is best not to do so. Yes you can. Basically thin it and see. I have about 2/3 of a gallon that I can experiment with. White Oil-Based Interior/Exterior Primer and Sealer Spray (6-Pack) Zinsser ® Bulls-Eye 1-2-3® is a high hide water-based styrenated acrylic water-based primer-sealer stain blocker and bond coat designed for priming all surfaces. Hand-sanding, planing, and scraping can be better than power sanding for certain applications. : 080112 1.DESCRIPTION AND USES . - according to the tech. When thinning water-based primers, KILZ recommends using no more than one-half pint of water per gallon of primer. If the shellac separates (this is normal) just stir it real good and strain before spraying. For those who use Zinsser 123, is this thicker that it should be? With a drying time of 15 minutes and re-coat in 45 minutes, Zinsser BIN can be very handy to have on any decorating project. $12.60. when using spray equipment. To avoid finishing-related fires, follow these guidelines for the proper disposal of finishing wastes and materials. If using airless sprayer, do not thin. $('#local-search-submit').click(function() { Hi, I'm currently remodeling our new home built in the 70's. When thinning water-based primers, KILZ recommends using no more than one-half pint of water per gallon of primer. Wear NIOSH approved respirator and provide adequate ventilation. Kilz Primer is a heavy-duty primer that can be brushed, rolled or sprayed on a surface, however, due to its viscosity the product must be thinned down for use in a paint sprayer. lostcreek. Our biweekly podcast allows editors, authors, and special guests to answer your woodworking questions and connect with the online woodworking community. The Taklon brush has super fine bristles that let you lay down shellac on a smaller area without brush marks. Rust-Oleum 272479 Zinsser Bulls Eye 1-2-3 Plus Spray Primer, White 4.6 out of 5 stars 907. 50/50  it went on areally easy dries very fast and allowed me to put on several thin coats. Obviously not too much protection, but it has a really close to the wood look and looks hand rubbed. In other words experiment - it's half the fun. AHOOOOGA, AHOOOGA! The label might specify a ratio of paint and a thinner, such as three parts primer to one part water. For those who use Zinsser 123, is this thicker that it should be? Most finishing materials contain hazardous chemicals, so it’s important to protect your skin, eyes, and lungs. if ((!$("#local-search-services-req").val()) || (!$("#local-search-location-req").val())) { UNLIMITED membership - Get access to it all. All of them have their own uses, and knowing the best one to use in your situation will mean that you not only get the best results, but you also get results that will last longer. To do this mix the shellac 50/50 with denatured alcohol. If it thickens, just add a bit of dna. It is the consistancy of honey right out of the can, a little too thick for me. I saw your question and used the answers below and the results were fabulous! Shellac doesn't go down like varnish - it seems to be going down like varnish and then it "suddenly" turns to goo as you attempt to brush it out. If you’ve ever looked through the Zinsser range you’ll see that they have a lot of different Zinssser primers to choose from. or if you are doing it yourself you can find suppliers local to you. SEALING B-I-N Advanced penetrates and seals porous surfaces and dries to a smooth finish with excellent enamel holdout. For spray applications on construction or home projects, begin by reducing the primer by 10 percent. If you’ve ever looked through the Zinsser range you’ll see that they have a lot of different Zinssser primers to choose from. CALL US NOW +44 (0) 127 9320 870. If surface is extremely If Bulls Eye® 1-2-3 dries, use Zinsser BIN Brush Cleaner to remove dried paint on brushes. This primer will be no different. (295 ml) clean water per gallon and apply a second coat of primer. Pete will set you straight. Oh, one more thing. you can easily add less if you are a talented painter.. Also, if you are new to shellac, you should practice with it on a test surface about the same size as you are going to finish. When spraying oil paint, the mixture you use in spray gun needs to be very thin … Zinsser BIN is a stain block, adhesion primer and barrier coat all in one. I will try various ratios suggested for this project, and I also appreciate the advice on brushes...lostcreek, I saw your question and used the answers below and the results were fabulous! TINTING Bulls-Eye Multi-Purpose Primer & Sealer may be tinted Shall I go to DefCon III? Again, you get a feel for it. simply add as many coats as you want. The Zinsser Bulls Eye 1-2-3 is a Rust-Oleum product and I’m certain you’ve probably used one or two of their products with success. Does it sand decently? ("What's that smell?" $8.89. $("#local-search-form").submit(); Apparently too thin reduces it's stain blocking properties. Baby & Toddler; Kids Products; Household; Garden & Outdoor; Kitchen Utensil; Industrial & DIY Hi, I'm currently remodeling our new home built in the 70's. Over thinning may reduce stain killing properties. A Quick Guide to Zinsser Primers. This would call for adding approximately 3 oz. The can says do not thin, but it’s too thick not to… Any suggestions? For airless spraying use a 0.017" to 0.019” tip at 2000 to 2500 psi. @nailbanger2; according to zinsser, the BIN has a shelf life of 3 years. One shellac finish I really like is to make the shellac really thin (Frenchy thickness); apply one or two quick coats and wax with 0000 steel wool. Again thin about 10% with water. Remove any wax with mineral spirits. Thinned primer also covers more surface area, reducing the cost of materials for large projects. } In this example Zinsser Cover Stain was thinned down to spray bare poplar then 2 coats of acrylic paint applied over the primer. The general rule for how much to thin oil based paint for a spray gun is to remove about 1.5 cups of primer from a 1-gallon can and then add 1.5 cups of thinning agent to the product. Thinned primer is helpful when using a spray-application method, since thick primers may clog the spray nozzle. Wear NIOSH approved respirator and provide adequate ventilation. The wife wants to save money so we went ahead and bought the Zinsser 123 primer. Wear NIOSH approved respirator and provide We have created these special content collections organized to give you a deep dive into a range of topics that matter. In short time! Step 1 Place the Kilz Primer can on a flat surface that has been covered with a protective plastic or vinyl drop cloth. For airless spraying use a 0.017" tip at 2000 to 2500 psi. } else { THINNING If thinning is necessary, add no more than 10 fluid ounces of clean water per gallon, mix thoroughly and apply a second coat. 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